The 2020 Presidential Election: We Got the Dreamers Disease

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Postby struttin' evil mushroom » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:11 pm

the bernie story was blown up by political reporters, who love nothing better than to do wink wink gotcha redbaiting. but the rationale given for the staff pay ("no one expected more than 40 hour weeks") seemed kinda flimsy -- it's a campaign, you're gonna work more than 40-hour weeks. if true that was an unforced and kinda shitty mistake.

that said, they remedied it, so it's not all that much of a story

but people who dislike bernie are gonna use it against him, that's just ... politics
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Postby endless dave » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:15 pm

We probably shouldn’t assume all politicians treat their staff like shit and having it be a baseline we shrug off

(Edit) this is about Williamson, not Bernie. Though it’s not wrong to hold a company like his campaign to task for exploring their workers’ time. That’s a huge thrust of his entire candidacy in fact! It’s good it got fixed and worked out by the union but it’s not wrong for the story to point out a flaw in the system that affected him. It sort of makes his case even further. If he can have a blind spot for the exploitation of labor, so can anyone. That’s how broken the system is
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Postby Beautiful Jugdish » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:18 pm

student council president is just a big popularity contest
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Postby Beautiful Jugdish » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:20 pm

that's why i lost
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Postby farmer » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:20 pm

endless dave wrote:We probably shouldn’t assume all politicians treat their staff like shit and having it be a baseline we shrug off


yeah, just transparent bothsidesing from jost
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Postby Beautiful Jugdish » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:21 pm

here's my impression of farmer: "oh dangit my sheep is lost!" or something, not sure what happens on a farm.
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Postby murray st. » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:22 pm

are you guys gonna order a Biden Burger

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Postby thrasher » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:23 pm

Bob511 wrote:
Infinite Jost wrote:i'm losing my mind at people calling out bernie for his campaign union successfully negotiating a better deal
this is a good thing
this is what unions do? isn't it? i've only been in the IWW which is just a symbolic thing
do people just not know what unions are for

I mean, it kind of sounded over the weekend like Bernie was calling out his campaign union for negotiating a better deal (by going to the press about it).

my understanding was he was (kinda unnecessarily) calling out the individual who went to the press about it. or not really calling them out even but dismissing the reports that that there was some kind of crisis happening, when it was a concern that was being handled in negotiation with the union. like mushroom said the story got blown up and twitter has a tendency to flatten everything
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Postby farmer » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:24 pm

Beautiful Jugdish wrote:here's my impression of farmer: "oh dangit my sheep is lost!" or something, not sure what happens on a farm.


never had sheep but damn if those donkeys dont find every hole in the fence to run down the road and it's annoying af to wrangle a donkey.
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Postby farmer » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:25 pm

once had a knock on the cabin door at midnight and it freaked me out bc i was high and there was supposed to be no one around for miles and it freaked me out more that it was a cop at the door and i was high but he was just letting me know about the fucking donkey escaping again, good dude.
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Postby palmer eldritch » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:27 pm

more donkeys, more problems
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Postby thrasher » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:27 pm

is that cheez whiz
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Postby Bob511 » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:28 pm

thrasher wrote:my understanding was he was (kinda unnecessarily) calling out the individual who went to the press about it. or not really calling them out even but dismissing the reports that that there was some kind of crisis happening, when it was a concern that was being handled in negotiation with the union. like mushroom said the story got blown up and twitter has a tendency to flatten everything

"It does bother me that people are going outside of the process and going to the media," he said. "That is really not acceptable. It is really not what labor negotiations are about, and it's improper."

Sanders said, ahead of a weekend Iowa campaign swing: "We are disappointed that some individuals have decided to damage the integrity of these efforts. We are involved in negotiations. And some are individuals that have decided to damage the integrity of that process before they were concluded."

It's not just that it was unnecessary, this is a flatly bad way to frame the bounds of "acceptable" labor negotiating.
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Postby Beautiful Jugdish » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:29 pm

if a donkey isn't being a rascal then he aint a donkey
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Postby palmer eldritch » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:30 pm

I mean, yeah, he was wrong. it's more funny to me than irritating though. millionaire socialist gets owned by employees.
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Postby farmer » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:30 pm

palmer eldritch wrote:more donkeys, more problems


yeah they're ornery but they kick the coyotes in the face to protect the baby calves so they are cool. we named em after my jackass uncles and feed em carrots and such sometimes, they are goodbois when they aren't trying to escape.
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Postby Ted Pikul » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:33 pm

palmer eldritch wrote:more donkeys, more problems


yeah there are way too many primary candidates
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Postby surly » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:36 pm

Bob511 wrote:
thrasher wrote:my understanding was he was (kinda unnecessarily) calling out the individual who went to the press about it. or not really calling them out even but dismissing the reports that that there was some kind of crisis happening, when it was a concern that was being handled in negotiation with the union. like mushroom said the story got blown up and twitter has a tendency to flatten everything

"It does bother me that people are going outside of the process and going to the media," he said. "That is really not acceptable. It is really not what labor negotiations are about, and it's improper."

Sanders said, ahead of a weekend Iowa campaign swing: "We are disappointed that some individuals have decided to damage the integrity of these efforts. We are involved in negotiations. And some are individuals that have decided to damage the integrity of that process before they were concluded."

It's not just that it was unnecessary, this is a flatly bad way to frame the bounds of "acceptable" labor negotiating.

yeah it was super out of character and gross given bernie's traditional support for labor
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Postby Beautiful Jugdish » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:46 pm

lmao

he dumped water on a cop's head. a cop was by definition on the scene for the incident. why did they have to seek him out later.
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Postby mcwop23 » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:46 pm

bill is a mixed bag of shit
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Postby blurst of times » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:49 pm

Someone should dump water on Bill's head imo
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Postby struttin' evil mushroom » Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:01 pm

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Postby surly » Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:12 pm

jost's posts aren't both sidesing because bernie saying what management says when a CBA negotiation is discussed publicly is still better than every other democratic campaign where employees aren't unionized and are absolutely overworked and underpaid, to the point that frontline workers are likely making far less than minimum wage

what bernie said was bad

what the other campaigns are doing is worse
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Postby tgk » Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:14 pm

do as i do, not what i say
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Postby farmer » Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:21 pm

Infinite Jost wrote:
there is in fact stuff like [Marianne mistreating her employees so badly that half her staff quit] about every candidate


is the bothsidesing i was referring to.
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Postby murray st. » Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:42 pm

lol

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Postby Cronos » Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:46 pm

Interesting. I'm currently writing my dissertation on cardi b
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Postby thrasher » Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:12 pm

is The Wire becoming the new West Wing of the post-2016 fauxgressive era?
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