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Postby broodstar » Fri May 24, 2019 7:48 am

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what's it even fucking like going first

is this part of some mmr system or some dumb shit
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Postby banquo » Fri May 24, 2019 8:07 am

is the draft of war of the spark done now? this is a very weird way to say "this game type is over, please resign the run" -edit* thanks chandler
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Postby chandler » Fri May 24, 2019 8:10 am

yeah ranked draft is over and prob the timer is bug
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Postby banquo » Fri May 24, 2019 8:25 am

is there a certain place you guys were finding draft tier list google docs for the current cards in rotation? or is it a lot of googling and just knowing which pros to trust?

it's sort of nice that it's going to be all new cards (to me), but "entire new set" feels like a pretty large new learning curve every 2 wks
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Postby chandler » Fri May 24, 2019 8:31 am

look up frank karsten's <format> pick order articles on channel fireball, which typically come out a few weeks in to a format. they are a good reference point and provide a lot more context than any spreadsheet will

also once a format has been around a while, there will be a lot more useful information on archetypes, which colors pairings/shards are the best, which to avoid, etc. google something like 'dominaria draft archetype rankings'
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Postby chandler » Fri May 24, 2019 8:39 am

domaria is a really complex format though, so don't get too frustrated if you aren't successful at first and misplay a bunch. there's a lot going on with all the historic and saga cards

it's well balanced and deep
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Postby broodstar » Fri May 24, 2019 6:07 pm

i dunno if i should just sink leftover gold into dominaria cause it rotates

https://www.channelfireball.com/article ... dominaria/
https://apps.draftaholicsanonymous.com/p1p1/DOM
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... /htmlview#

those are some evaluations

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i always give extreme, extreme side-eye to people making conspiracy theories about bad rng (eg: "rigged shuffler" in mtga), but i've fucking drawn 11 out of 12 lands in a row until nearly 7/8ths of all lands in my deck are gone and what the fuck

it's like if i keep a hand with 5 lands + 2drop + 3drop i can almost guarantee my next 6 draws are all lands
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Postby broodstar » Sat May 25, 2019 2:47 am

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didnt know there was a billion land art
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Postby broodstar » Sat May 25, 2019 8:38 am

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my opponent literally plays like a bronze player and is probably approx 3x worse but sometimes you just go 0-4 in draft because none of your draws are sequenced even half properly and you haven't seen any of your power cards

format is so stupid and that'st he last of my 10k gems
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Postby broodstar » Sat May 25, 2019 9:36 am

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i've been 40% to draw a swamp for 5 turns now

least this format feels less awful
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Postby chandler » Sat May 25, 2019 9:51 am

You keep playing 3 color decks, when it's a two color format
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Postby broodstar » Sat May 25, 2019 9:52 am

it's absolutely not. literally 80% of decks are splash tricolor jank shit

the power level of my deck was really low outside of chandra so i sided in the green cards and i have three fixers

if you can consistently do an only two color deck >50% of the time with 23 good cards ill eat a hat on camera
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Postby chandler » Sat May 25, 2019 9:55 am

Look up win rates of two vs 3 colors. It's a two color format and cards are not in the set to enable easy 3 color decks
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Postby chandler » Sat May 25, 2019 9:56 am

Like...burning prophet does not belong in a jund deck in this format. It's a UR spells card
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Postby chandler » Sat May 25, 2019 9:57 am

Leyline prowler and bloom enable a light splash of a third, not the other way around
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Postby broodstar » Sat May 25, 2019 10:03 am

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burning prophet is one of the best red commons lol and i have 11 activators
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Postby banquo » Sat May 25, 2019 10:12 am

Deck 6, 1st Dominaria: green black

kind of concerned about lack of protection from anything that flies. do i throw in arbor armament and hope i have it when i need it? it feels a bit too situational, and that's also why i didn't pick up any 'pierce the sky'.
do i add memorial to unity and.. remove a forest?- or do i go 8/8 lands and add memorial?

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sideboard: stronghold confessor, drudge sentinel, soul salvage x2, cabal paladin, feral abomination x2, memorial to unity, arbor armament, gaea's protector
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Postby chandler » Sat May 25, 2019 10:50 am

i would play the arbor armament in the main 40, it's still useful even if you don't have to worry about fliers
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Postby chandler » Sat May 25, 2019 10:57 am

and yeah, the memorials can just replace a basic
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Postby banquo » Sat May 25, 2019 12:36 pm

went a quick 0-2, and salvaged it to 2-2. i should have ended at 1-3 because i keep forgetting that you can assign multiple blockers to one normal dude where one attack nearly threw the game

somehow i've had both my 6+ drops in my hand every one of these games, just wasting space most of the time
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Postby broodstar » Sat May 25, 2019 12:43 pm

just landlording or playing people with josu vess+helm of the host+slimefoot in the same deck
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Postby broodstar » Sat May 25, 2019 1:03 pm

dominaria is fun but ranked draft means im only running into peopel with bullshit decks or mythic top 50s and its extremely hard to get a >60% wr i suspect because i suck

i got kefnet from a random card reward so thats probably the only good rng im getting today
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Postby chandler » Sat May 25, 2019 1:20 pm

Bo1 does lead to too many feelsbadman moments for sure, I gotta stay away
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Postby broodstar » Sat May 25, 2019 1:32 pm

i dont even think its bo1, i just dont feel like im playing magic most games unless my hand pre-mull is 3 lands + 2-4 drops and then you still gotta avoid "my opponent has some bullshit"

i simultaneously think i dont mulligan enough and too much. maybe just keep bad hands with 2 lands and "play the odds" to draw more and then hate yourself when you don't? or just mull down to 5 and lose because you still don't have lands and -2 cards

at least i feel like constructed is good in getting a consistent range of results. limited going down one card is like -50% and supposed 70-80%s to draw another land by t3 are more like 50%s in my experience
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Postby banquo » Sat May 25, 2019 1:46 pm

broodstar wrote:just landlording or playing people with josu vess+helm of the host+slimefoot in the same deck


game 1 to flyers i couldn't deal with (2/3 early and a 5/6 later). game on turn like 7-8 and i had 5 lands out. (had 3 in opening mul)
game 2 to some sort of aggro/mid deck that had removal. though again i stopped drawing lands at 4-5, and had my two 6+ drops taking space. i chose a dumb blocker (was dumb after he had instant removal) and got punished though, not sure if it'd have mattered

i feel like my deck should be doing better than i'm playing it. up to 4-2, but the complete lack of removal makes the games seem like i'm playing from behind and hopefully no flyers come out
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Postby chandler » Sat May 25, 2019 1:57 pm

i would say your deck looks a little unfocused and the top end isn't great...it's part ramp, part saproling

you want to go all in on saprolings and look for the card that kicks for 2 +1/+1 counters as a finisher. yargle and grunn get chump blocked to infinity

if you had more ramp then the kicker cards really pay off. but zero removal is bad, regardless
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Postby broodstar » Sat May 25, 2019 2:02 pm

um lmao ive played one game in the last week where i stopped drawing lands at 5-6

yeah, yeah, you'll eventually draw them all as the game goes on but i can recall at least like 4 examples of 2 cards + 6 lands on board into some 11-12 land shit
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Postby banquo » Sat May 25, 2019 2:02 pm

well two of my games were lost to an opponent playing "pegasus courser" and me having no answer while he was able to win every race. (first game, last game)

i'm not too upset finishing 5-3 after starting 0-2, but i seemed to *need* something to deal with flying cards
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Postby broodstar » Sat May 25, 2019 2:04 pm

lmao i just realized you have joss+slimefoot. i was playing someone else who had the 3 cards i mentioned and just got blown out by helm on joss

i don't believe in putting in bad cards to try and shore up if cases. no ways to interact with flyers is pretty bad but i dont wanna put in some fringe case trick. it's like including a bad card (kasmina's transmutation) to try and deal with a god-eternal, though that's an extreme case. most limited formats in card games seem very much play proactively and hope they don't have it
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Postby banquo » Sat May 25, 2019 2:05 pm

broodstar wrote:lmao i just realized you have joss+slimefoot. i was playing someone else who had the 3 cards i mentioned and just got blown out by helm on joss


yeah i thought you were asking if i was losing cause i was playing vs. other people with decks as silly as some of my cards
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